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heaveniminheaven:

but no this is legit tho

It bothers me that Samcedes fans seem to have no problem with the two characters involved becoming selfish, cheaty people as long as they get their ship.

But I guess I learned a long time ago that the Glee fandom is totally misguided…

(i.e. Klaine fans who lauded the bullying story line and message only to threaten Grant Gustin’s life when Sebastian arrived on the scene)

Well, first of all, moving in to kiss is not kissing, we don’t know that they definitely will kiss. Mercedes might move back last second and walk away from it. Certainly that is what I hope.

Second of all. Hi. Welcome to Glee. Where a couple isn’t really allowed to split up before another one can start. Almost every single couple on the show currently aside from Klaine has started through cheating (emotion/physical) or cheated at some point. Finchel, Brittana, possibly Tike though the timescale is not certain, Wemma. Then in the past, Quick, Fuinn, Puckleberry, Shell… probably others I can’t remember right now.

I’m not saying that it’s okay, far from it, I’m just saying that this is what Glee does… the writers do this all the time, and you just have to sigh, hope that things get sorted as quickly and painlessly as possible afterwards to maintain some sort of moral ground. I.e. they kiss and Mercedes is honest about her feelings and breaks up with her boyfriend instead of stringing him along. 

Of course we’re going to be happy that they love each other and are going to kiss (for a while we thought we’d never even see Sam again, nevermind have more Samcedes moments) but I resent the idea that we’re all perfectly happy with the manner in which this is happening. 

I am now going to curl into a ball under my duvet and re-read Hunger Games which I bought yesterday.

Because on this show, when you tell Rachel the truth about her future, you’re clearly just in it to cockblock Finn and that’s not okay.

That took a while… phew.

-random-user-:

Before I cut to the read more, I just want to say that I am a quiet member of the Glee Fandom; I stick to my specific bubble, and I rarely post things on my personal about the show at all. But, after seeing a few comments like “F*nchel has completely ruined Glee for me” or trying to trend “RachelSayNo,” I realized that there are just some people who just don’t understand the show, and what’s been set up since the very beginning. 

Now, this is not me saying that you shouldn’t ship your ship; We are all entitled to our own opinions, and if you chose to ship something, yay for you! However, I am also entitled to my own opinion, and as a highly educated person who has studied television, I would like to throw out my own opinion on these topics since F*nchel shippers tend to get a bad wrap in this fandom. 

Alright… so here we go. 

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Well, first of all, maybe you guys have a bad rep because you come parading through our tags acting all high and mighty. “Oh F*nchel has always been endgame so your opinion on it being dreadful/ruining the show is invalid/your own fault!” No. 

But alright. You wanna do this? Let’s do this.

We’ll start with your assumption that basically we’re a little misled and so we’re somehow watching the show wrong.

There isn’t a way to watch a show wrong. We didn’t create headcanons for these characters that were wrong. We held opinions of these characters, we speculated about certain things happening. Just because they didn’t happen doesn’t mean we were wrong to hope for them.

Nobody ever knows for sure what the writers are going to do, where they’re going to go… and writers have been known for changing course all the time, even if they seemed to be going one way. Sure with hindsight it’s easy to say F*nchel was always going to happen, but a lot of us felt for a long time that that wasn’t necessarily the case… certainly a lot of us felt for a long time that that shouldn’t be the case.

I’m not an idiot, okay, I may not have been educated regarding television and its inner workings, but I’ve watched enough TV shows and cheesy movies to know when something is being set up as a potential pairing. I knew that F*nchel was going to be happening in some capacity about three seconds after they introduced the characters to each other. I was pretty damn sure they were ‘endgame’ the moment Rachel said “Everyone expects us to end up together” and Finn revealed he had a cheerleader girlfriend.

Predictability has never been a particularly attractive feature in a television ship for me, I like a real true build up, not just for the characters, but for me as well. I like to fall in love with my ships, I don’t like to be told front and centre “This is a ship. Ship it because it’s probably not ever going away,”… it’s like a totally non-negotiable arranged marriage for shippers (with a ship you never even met before) and what can I say, I’m a rebellious child.

Still, I could deal with it, because I did like the rest of the show a lot. The cast of characters was interesting (I especially loved Kurt, Emma and Mercedes) the music was good and I liked the message of the underdog. So, I could deal with a little predictability, I could even give F*nchel the benefit of the doubt for now, Glee seemed full of surprises so maybe they would surprise me.

They didn’t. I gave it several episodes… nearly wet myself laughing at their first “date” and then kind of wound up wanting to shake Rachel for her mis-use of the song “Take A Bow” which is meant to be sung by someone who has been cheated on, not someone who was cheated with. I also fell head over heels for Quinn Fabray.

By the time episode four came around, I actually wound up doubting that F*nchel was ever going to be endgame (oh poor naive little me). To me it just seemed totally ridiculous, but beyond that, I thought that maybe Glee was playing a really clever little game. This was a show about breaking free of your stereotype - or at the time that’s how it seemed to me. For example, Finn was a stereotypical jock (as was Puck) and yet he also enjoyed show choir, Kurt appears very effeminate, but then get him on a football field! It was almost like the show was saying “Here’s a stereotype that television uses a lot. Watch us knee it in the balls!” So why not do it with the tired, loser girl/popular guy>cheerleader girlfriend formula? 

Why not reform the cheerleader, and have her and the quarterback end up together? That’d be a twist, and it’s one that I’d enjoy a heck of a lot more than continuing down the F*nchel path. I liked Finn, I loved Quinn. Heck why not?

The whole of Preggars, while it served to make a lot of people hate Fuinn on principal only made me more intrigued… and because I was intrigued I wanted to look a little deeper into it than “Quinn lied. What a bitch!” So I did… and what I found was a scared little girl, and the one person who made her feel better, made her feel safe and loved, the one person who made her laugh on the worst day of her life. Obviously I wanted the truth to come out, and obviously I knew it would split them up, but I was looking to Glee to do something interesting with their endgame and what was interesting to me was the idea of them coming back together again.

Therefore, at that time I was able to pretty much overlook how awful F*nchel was becoming, and how utterly absurd the idea of them being in an actual relationship was, there was still plenty of things to like about Glee, and each and every Fuinn moment that we got was utterly precious to me. Things seemed to be moving in the right direction, Quinn was still a bitch sometimes, but there were moments where you could see she was changing. Very slowly she was becoming a better person. If I wasn’t already utterly in love with Fuinn as a couple by this point, Hairography sealed it for me… maybe just maybe I was right, because to me this was a couple that through everything, even though they made some stupid mistakes, always came back to one another, and loved one another.

I’d also like to point out at this juncture, that as of Mash-Up, I was actually starting to like Rachel a little more as a character. She’d been basically my least favourite until then, but her dynamic with Puck was very interesting, very different to hers with Finn and she seemed more mellow. I didn’t precisely ship Puckleberry - wouldn’t for a while actually - but I liked the idea of them being friends because they brought out a side of each other that was very sweet. 

Of course, Rachel’s behaviour since then was lowering my opinion again, though a pattern was starting to emerge, wherein, I liked her least around Finn… and when things weren’t about Finn I actually was able to tolerate her so… make of that what you will.

The fall-out came, as we all knew that it would, and of course Finn had to break up with Quinn. I was devastated of course, but there was some consolation in the fact that Rachel’s plan hadn’t exactly worked how she had wanted. Finn hadn’t run straight into her arms.

The B9 came around and F*nchel’s initial relationship went about as well as I had always suspected that it would. I.e. Finn wasn’t really into it, he barely listened to her, she pushed too hard etcetc they fell apart. Whatever. I was still in my stage of basically ignoring them together and focussing on better things - like the fact that Finn wasn’t over Quinn. Of course he wasn’t, he loved her.

Then something happened. I’m not to this day entirely sure how it happened, or when precisely the moment was… but I fell in love with Rachel Berry, and I know that it had a lot to do with her not standing for crap from Finn and then one Jesse st James. Suddenly I could see what everyone else saw in her. I saw her drive, I saw her determination, her love of performance… I went back and rewatched the first season and there it was, and I couldn’t believe I’d missed it… and it was ever present, once again, when ever she wasn’t mooning over Finn.

I was more convinced than ever that the Glee writers were setting us up for F*nchel realising they would never work… I didn’t know what would be ‘endgame’ if there even would be an endgame, but I couldn’t see how the writers intended to justify those two together after all this.

So I spent the rest of season one falling steadily more in love with St Berry, seeing Jesse actually fall in love with this incredible girl, even though we all knew he was there originally for other reasons - which in the end, turned out not to be as bad as people speculated - rolling my eyes at F*nchel when it turned up occasionally, squealing with my fellow Fuinnja’s over the tiniest little moments that we got. There wasn’t any real development, so most of us were ready to admit they wouldn’t get together again, but it was nice to know the feelings were still there =).

It was only when the final episode of season one aired that I finally thought, yeah okay F*nchel probably is endgame… but Rachel was so much better now, and maybe just maybe season two would turn it around… and besides, there was still so much I loved about the show.

Season 2 did not turn it around.

It made it a thousand times worse actually.

I hated the Rachel Berry we saw with the fire of a thousand suns. She was dreadful. The whole season she was bitchy, and entitled, and needy and whiny. If this was what F*nchel was doing to her… well benefit of the doubt was gone and I was done hoping they might ever be half-decent.

And Finn… don’t even get me started on Finn.

As for their relationship, it was a throwback to Fuinn in episode 2 of season one. Hell it was worse… and let me tell you as a Fuinn shipper, having received heat from your fandom on how awful my OTP was… it was just infuriating to find people liking F*nchel for all the same crap they had hated Quinn for back then.

Yet I still knew now that they were endgame… and that, combined with the severe drop in the writing of the show to facilitate their relationship, was starting to make me think I didn’t want to watch anymore. 

They broke up, we all knew they’d probably get back together… but then the Superbowl happened… and suddenly, it was like Season One Glee never went away. I loved everything about that episode, the characters I loved were back, the songs were amazing, the storyline was utterly ridiculous but charming, and I was very suddenly shocked to discover I was a Puckleberry shipper. It must have been creeping up on me for a while, because when I thought back I could name so many moments where the development between them had been… but it still took me a little by surprise… which is what I like in a ship. Then there was Fuinn… and I swear to you I nearly threw my laptop off my bed I was so excited. We’d been spoiled about them sharing a look, but we knew nothing about a kiss, and then it happened and it was handled so well, so delicately and for a fleeting, fleeting moment I thought maybe they weren’t going to be used as a device. Maybe the writers would seriously pursue this.

Of course I was brought sharply back to earth over the next few episodes. Rachel lost her kickass attitude and became whiny and needy again, Finn was the biggest douche in history, and Quinn was once again reduced to being the villain of the piece. 

Because here’s the thing. You’re right, they do set couples up to fail… because Glee can’t just have F*nchel work. Because F*nchel doesn’t work.

Everything else has to not work so spectacularly, that F*nchel looks good in comparison.

The problem is that they FAIL at setting these couples up to fail, because they set up couples that are better than the one that isn’t meant to fail. It’s almost laughable.

So when we say that F*nchel has been ruining the show for us, we’re not just talking about not getting what we wanted for our ships. We’re talking about the destruction of good, interesting, well rounded characters, like Quinn Fabray and Jesse st James, the ignoring of good development like that between Rachel and Puck, the throwing under the bus of pairings that do work well, and Fuinn, Puckleberry, St Berry… they DO work well. Not to mention, all three in mine and many other’s opinion, have a thousand times more onscreen chemistry. 

Anyway, rather than give them closure, have them end naturally it always has to be a massive drama, because they WOULDN’T have ended naturally… the Fuinn breakup came out of nowhere, the scripting made no sense, it was the most ridiculous bullshit I’ve ever seen. I wasn’t even upset that they split up at first - this is my OTP mind - I was just pissed as hell at the writers for thinking that this made any kind of sense… I half expected someone to pop up with “Haha gotcha!” But no… they had to end, and quickly because the writers left it too late. Because F*nchel had to happen in the season finale. Anyway.

My favourite Finn moments of Season 2 were ALL with Quinn, or away from Rachel, and the same with Rachel. 

I had to watch as a character I had come to love was reduced from a strong, confident, driven young woman, to a pathetic bitch who would do anything to turn the head of her high school obsession… and I had to watch as Quinn was made out to be the villain, when more than half the time, she was in the right. The same with Jesse’s character.

The writing of the show whenever F*nchel was a factor was awful, the songs they picked were dreadful - Go Your Own Way… as a flirtatious solo? In FRONT of his girlfriend? Really Rachel?

I would see Finn go from being so wonderful, like in Born This Way, and looking at Quinn like he couldn’t imagine being with anyone else… to him suddenly trying to punch Jesse in a fit of jealousy because… he was making Rachel smile and laugh. Then Quinn had to be the villain again, while Rachel played the poor sweetheart who got slapped, as if she HADN’T been trying to turn Finn’s head away from Quinn for the last however many episodes.

I had to watch them flunk at Regionals because Finn couldn’t respect Rachel’s dreams enough to back off for a couple more days. I had to watch Rachel disregard the feelings of a boy who had come back to her, apologised to her, told her he loved her, tried to help her achieve her dreams.

Now I have to watch as Rachel puts Finn before everything. Everything about her storyline somehow links back to Finn. The first time she has sex with him, it’s about him, it’s about her giving him something of her to make him feel better. 

Finn sits next to her, and says he has nothing special in his life and she sings a song to him about how she’s worthless without him? How is that a good thing?

#RachelSayNo trended because we don’t want Rachel Berry tied down to Finn Hudson in Lima… and frankly Finn would not be happy in New York. Also because they are 18 and they have their whole lives ahead of them. They haven’t even left High School yet, they’ve never even lived away from their parents. It compromises Rachel’s character so much if she says yes.

The writing of these two MAIN characters, is dreadful. It’s not just their relationship, it’s them, and they are there a lot… so yes. It does ruin the show for those of us who don’t buy into it, who don’t think it’s sweet that Finn forgot she was a vegan, or romantic that Rachel thinks she’s nothing without his approval.

It does ruin the show for us. Not because we misunderstand, but because we understand perfectly. The writers have been set on F*nchel from day one, and they have been willing to neglect character development, plot development, on-screen chemistry, continuity and common sense to make it happen.

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I’m not even going to bother with your opinions on the other couples in detail, though I really could… Suffice to say that Rachel looked pretty damn happy making out with Puck and Finn has said many times that he has feelings for Quinn and I believe once he worded it thus “Probably always will”. Headcanons? Yuh-huh.

Thank you, and good day!

Prepare yourselves guys, not sure how long this will take, but am replying to the Finchel “you’re clearly watching the show wrong” shipper in our Fuinn/Puckleberry/St Berry tags.

Chair and Dair fans… just stay in your own tags please.

Just saying. 

the-saint-in-berry:

higher-high:

puckleberrylark:

I wanna see how many of us are out there.

*you’re bb.  It’s you’re.  Fixed it.

I never really… started with Finchel? So… Yeah. 

This ^^

makemywayintothenight:

rinielle:

makemywayintothenight:

rinielle:

Yeah… try saying that name out loud a couple of times.

Sorry about your ship.

Oh, I have. Sounds beautiful !!!!!!!

At least Chair is an actual ship. I’m sure “Dair” will have their chance……or maybe not. Not my concern.

Oh I’m sorry maybe I misheard it over the sound of my OTP fleeing in a car reading “Just Married”. Wait let me go some place quieter…

…

No… still sounds hilarious.

Cool story.

Isn’t it though =)

makemywayintothenight:

rinielle:

Yeah… try saying that name out loud a couple of times.

Sorry about your ship.

Oh, I have. Sounds beautiful !!!!!!!

At least Chair is an actual ship. I’m sure “Dair” will have their chance……or maybe not. Not my concern.

Oh I’m sorry maybe I misheard it over the sound of my OTP fleeing in a car reading “Just Married”. Wait let me go some place quieter…

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No… still sounds hilarious.

Yeah… try saying that name out loud a couple of times.

Sorry about your ship.